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	<title>Comments on: Rounded Corners the Technorati Way</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Cayne</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-231408</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Cayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your information on rounded corner boxes. I try to implement whatever I find to improve my learning curve. Like many people I want to get away from javascript and graphics as much as possible. However, I doubt anyone can. I found a website that lists as much rounded corner techniques as the author can. It&#039;s &lt;a&gt;Smily Cat&lt;/a&gt;. I hope this helps. So far I have only tested a few of the websites listed.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your information on rounded corner boxes. I try to implement whatever I find to improve my learning curve. Like many people I want to get away from javascript and graphics as much as possible. However, I doubt anyone can. I found a website that lists as much rounded corner techniques as the author can. It&#8217;s <a>Smily Cat</a>. I hope this helps. So far I have only tested a few of the websites listed.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-113052</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your example is still a bit incomplete - at least in my IE6. 

To repair you can append the following to the boxc b.cn rule:

  line-height: 1px;
  font-size: 1px;

Regards Nikolaj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your example is still a bit incomplete &#8211; at least in my IE6. </p>
<p>To repair you can append the following to the boxc b.cn rule:</p>
<p>  line-height: 1px;<br />
  font-size: 1px;</p>
<p>Regards Nikolaj</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Meiert</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-100337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Meiert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: I forgot to mention that I even included &lt;a href=&quot;http://meiert.com/de/publications/books/3897214229/lib/code/abgerundete-ecken/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eric&#039;s method&lt;/a&gt; in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://meiert.com/de/publications/books/3897214229/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt;, just to present it and to point out its problems. Take a look at the source code, that by the way (and of course intentionally) uses &quot;span&quot; elements. You surely don&#039;t want to do that, and you surely don&#039;t want to maintain that by no means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: I forgot to mention that I even included <a href="http://meiert.com/de/publications/books/3897214229/lib/code/abgerundete-ecken/" rel="nofollow">Eric&#8217;s method</a> in my <a href="http://meiert.com/de/publications/books/3897214229/" rel="nofollow">book</a>, just to present it and to point out its problems. Take a look at the source code, that by the way (and of course intentionally) uses &#8220;span&#8221; elements. You surely don&#8217;t want to do that, and you surely don&#8217;t want to maintain that by no means.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Meiert</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-100334</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Meiert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the affected boxes are not &quot;liquid&quot; (and I remember that Technorati uses boxes with fix width), you may simply want to use one image for the top section (including corner top-left and top-right) and one image for the bottom section. Both can likely be applied without any markup changes (!). For example: &quot;div&quot; with a bottom positioned background image and &quot;div hn&quot; with a background image for that boxes&#039; heading.

That solution is pretty simple (compare it to the above &quot;+20 elements, +20 rules for a rounded corner&quot;), doesn&#039;t necessarily require extra-markup, and works pretty well most of the time (unless the rounded containers are very small and increased font size thus breaks them rather fast, and unless we&#039;re talking about completely liquid boxes).

So well, I highly respect Tantek&#039;s and Eric&#039;s expertise, but the above technique should not be used. It is general web dev &quot;bad practice&quot;, and one of the drawbacks will definitely be the increased cost of a later redesign (since you decided to cover over with markup rubbish). Here, the cost of solution is definitely higher than the cost of the problem ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the affected boxes are not &#8220;liquid&#8221; (and I remember that Technorati uses boxes with fix width), you may simply want to use one image for the top section (including corner top-left and top-right) and one image for the bottom section. Both can likely be applied without any markup changes (!). For example: &#8220;div&#8221; with a bottom positioned background image and &#8220;div hn&#8221; with a background image for that boxes&#8217; heading.</p>
<p>That solution is pretty simple (compare it to the above &#8220;+20 elements, +20 rules for a rounded corner&#8221;), doesn&#8217;t necessarily require extra-markup, and works pretty well most of the time (unless the rounded containers are very small and increased font size thus breaks them rather fast, and unless we&#8217;re talking about completely liquid boxes).</p>
<p>So well, I highly respect Tantek&#8217;s and Eric&#8217;s expertise, but the above technique should not be used. It is general web dev &#8220;bad practice&#8221;, and one of the drawbacks will definitely be the increased cost of a later redesign (since you decided to cover over with markup rubbish). Here, the cost of solution is definitely higher than the cost of the problem &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper Rønn-Jensen</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-98860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesper Rønn-Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nikolaj: Thanks a lot for reporting this. I have added the css rule and updated the post with an example page as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nikolaj: Thanks a lot for reporting this. I have added the css rule and updated the post with an example page as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-98814</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

I tried to use the technique described here to create rounded corners.

I turned out that the code snippets are a bit incomplete, which made me seek the original technorati solution myself.

One of the more crucial findings was that the following css rule is missing in the snippets:

b.cn {
        position: absolute;
        ...
}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I tried to use the technique described here to create rounded corners.</p>
<p>I turned out that the code snippets are a bit incomplete, which made me seek the original technorati solution myself.</p>
<p>One of the more crucial findings was that the following css rule is missing in the snippets:</p>
<p>b.cn {<br />
        position: absolute;<br />
        &#8230;<br />
}</p>
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		<title>By: webtouch.dk &#187; Runde hjørner - nu med kant</title>
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		<dc:creator>webtouch.dk &#187; Runde hjørner - nu med kant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tantek</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-84474</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesper,

You asserted &quot;you’re stuck with XHTML 1.0 or lower&quot; - that&#039;s kind of like saying &quot;you&#039;re stuck with everything that works well today&quot;.  What precisely is the real world problem you are pointing out?

How does using XHTML 1.0 break validation or use deprecated elements?  W3C for some reason left the purely presentational B tag in XHTML 1.0 Strict &lt;em&gt;without deprecating it&lt;/em&gt; (probably for political reasons, I&#039;m guessing), so rather than complain about it being there and people misusing it, we declare a new use for it that makes much more sense. And it looks like Sune has answered the other question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesper,</p>
<p>You asserted &#8220;you’re stuck with XHTML 1.0 or lower&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s kind of like saying &#8220;you&#8217;re stuck with everything that works well today&#8221;.  What precisely is the real world problem you are pointing out?</p>
<p>How does using XHTML 1.0 break validation or use deprecated elements?  W3C for some reason left the purely presentational B tag in XHTML 1.0 Strict <em>without deprecating it</em> (probably for political reasons, I&#8217;m guessing), so rather than complain about it being there and people misusing it, we declare a new use for it that makes much more sense. And it looks like Sune has answered the other question.</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Jakobsen</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-84461</link>
		<dc:creator>Sune Jakobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the b-tag as a building block tag is a very nice idea, that i haven&#039;t thought of let us hope i will be a part of XHTML3.0 in the year. But until W3C defines a building block tag as a part of the standard I strongly recommend using the span tag, as i see no reason to invent a negative semantic tag, sorry! 

Jesper -&gt; The dutch law allows the use of validated HTML 4.01, so the b-tag is an option (i know it&#039;s a detail, but allow me to benefit from the hours i spend reading about it :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the b-tag as a building block tag is a very nice idea, that i haven&#8217;t thought of let us hope i will be a part of XHTML3.0 in the year. But until W3C defines a building block tag as a part of the standard I strongly recommend using the span tag, as i see no reason to invent a negative semantic tag, sorry! </p>
<p>Jesper -&gt; The dutch law allows the use of validated HTML 4.01, so the b-tag is an option (i know it&#8217;s a detail, but allow me to benefit from the hours i spend reading about it :o)</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper Rønn-Jensen</title>
		<link>http://justaddwater.dk/2007/02/15/rounded-corners-the-technorati-way/comment-page-1/#comment-84447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesper Rønn-Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for the elaboration, Tantek.

Your explanation leads me to another question, though.

Using a &lt;b&gt;-tag means that you&#039;re stuck with XHTML 1.0 or lower. It must have been a tough decision to make. I mean, either use an older HTML standard or break validation and have pages with validation errors.

What&#039;s the worst thing to do? &lt;strong&gt;Break validation or use deprecated elements?&lt;/strong&gt;

I think that&#039;s an interesting question seen in the perspective that Roger Johansson and Peter Paul Koch points out that the recent &lt;a title=&quot;456 Berea St.: Dutch accessibility law is awesome&quot; href=&quot;http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200702/the_dutch_accessibility_law_is_awesome/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dutch accessibility law&lt;/a&gt; actually forbids the use of deprecated elements on government sites. 

What are your opinions on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for the elaboration, Tantek.</p>
<p>Your explanation leads me to another question, though.</p>
<p>Using a &lt;b&gt;-tag means that you&#8217;re stuck with XHTML 1.0 or lower. It must have been a tough decision to make. I mean, either use an older HTML standard or break validation and have pages with validation errors.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the worst thing to do? <strong>Break validation or use deprecated elements?</strong></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s an interesting question seen in the perspective that Roger Johansson and Peter Paul Koch points out that the recent <a title="456 Berea St.: Dutch accessibility law is awesome" href="http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200702/the_dutch_accessibility_law_is_awesome/" rel="nofollow">Dutch accessibility law</a> actually forbids the use of deprecated elements on government sites. </p>
<p>What are your opinions on this?</p>
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